乌程仔 发表于 2014-5-9 16:06:22

越王元常的名字蛮霸气的

勾践的爹是允常,又唤元常,这个大概是翻译不同。允常,允许长久;元常,整个长久,霸气。

热度 发表于 2014-5-9 18:54:29

巴氣,像煞高麗棒子

Skatinginbc 发表于 2014-6-9 02:23:40

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【史記正義】輿地志云:越侯傳國三十餘葉,歷殷至周敬王時,有越侯夫譚,子曰允常,拓土始大,稱王,
允常, probably a transliteration, was the name or title of the first Yue king (王).It was translated as 『元常』 in 【吳越春秋】 (越之興霸自元常矣), in which 元 carries the connotation of 始 "first" (like 始皇帝; 《爾雅·釋詁》元,始也) as well as its regular meanings of 長 "long" (《廣韻》元,長也) and 大 "big" (《前漢·哀帝紀》夫基事之元命。《註》師古曰:更受天之大命).My guess is that 允常 is a synonymous compound, meaning 高大長久 in 古越語 (允 OC *ʎiwən < Proto-Austroasiatic *luaŋ "long, high, big"; 常 OC *ʑǐaŋ < Proto-Austroasiatic *ʒʔoŋ "high, long").

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